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How To Be A Better Boss with Sabina Nawaz (#83) episode art

How To Be A Better Boss with Sabina Nawaz (#83)

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Sabina Nawaz on how pressure rather than power corrupts managers, and the microhabits that make bosses more effective.

How To Overcome the Daily Norms Holding You Back with Nilofer Merchant (#82) episode art

How To Overcome the Daily Norms Holding You Back with Nilofer Merchant (#82)

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Nilofer Merchant on the invisible workplace norms that limit innovation, and how questioning them leads to more fulfilling work.

The Curious Optimism of People Who Choose Impossible Quests with Mark Medley (#81) episode art

The Curious Optimism of People Who Choose Impossible Quests with Mark Medley (#81)

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Mark Medley on people who pursue seemingly impossible goals, and the long-term mindset and hope behind their quests.

Having Wild Courage To Get What You Want with Jenny Wood (#80) episode art

Having Wild Courage To Get What You Want with Jenny Wood (#80)

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Jenny Wood on the traits people are usually told to suppress, and how using them moves a career forward.

Why We Talk To Cats and Make Everything "Humanish" with Justin Gregg (#79) episode art

Why We Talk To Cats and Make Everything "Humanish" with Justin Gregg (#79)

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Justin Gregg on why people treat animals, products, and AI as human, and what anthropomorphism does to us.

Why Belief Is the Biggest Reason For Success or Failure with Nir Eyal (#78) episode art

Why Belief Is the Biggest Reason For Success or Failure with Nir Eyal (#78)

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Nir Eyal on how the brain predicts reality, and why beliefs shape behavior, persistence, and success.

How To Manage Your Boss To Win At Work with Melody Wilding (#77) episode art

How To Manage Your Boss To Win At Work with Melody Wilding (#77)

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Melody Wilding on managing up, reading workplace psychology, and handling a difficult boss without stalling your career.

The Hidden Secrets of How Stuff Gets Made with Tim Minshall (#76) episode art

The Hidden Secrets of How Stuff Gets Made with Tim Minshall (#76)

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Tim Minshall on how manufacturing shapes daily life, why supply chains are fragile, and what factory visits reveal.

How Under Armour Is Rediscovering Their Identity With Kevin Plank (#75) episode art

How Under Armour Is Rediscovering Their Identity With Kevin Plank (#75)

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Kevin Plank on founding Under Armour, lessons in leadership and innovation, and rebuilding the brand's identity.

Why Your Ambition Is Working Against You with Amina AlTai (#74) episode art

Why Your Ambition Is Working Against You with Amina AlTai (#74)

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Amina AlTai on the difference between purposeful and painful ambition, and how ambition becomes a trap.

The Difference Between Mentors and Sponsors with Dr. Rosalind Chow (#73) episode art

The Difference Between Mentors and Sponsors with Dr. Rosalind Chow (#73)

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Rosalind Chow on how sponsorship differs from mentorship, and the power dynamics that decide who advances.

Don't Be Yourself: Why Authenticity Is Overrated with Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic (#72) episode art

Don't Be Yourself: Why Authenticity Is Overrated with Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic (#72)

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Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic on why the advice to be authentic is misleading, and what actually makes leaders effective.

How To Avoid the Strategy Trap In Business with Kevin Ertell (#71) episode art

How To Avoid the Strategy Trap In Business with Kevin Ertell (#71)

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Kevin Ertell on why execution matters more than strategy, and how to build follow-through into company culture.

Selling Your Mother: The Mrs. Meyers Clean Day Story with Monica Nassif (#70) episode art

Selling Your Mother: The Mrs. Meyers Clean Day Story with Monica Nassif (#70)

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Monica Nassif on building Mrs. Meyer's Clean Day around her family's values, and why authentic storytelling earns trust.

Telling the Stories of Custodians Saving Dying Traditions with Eliot Stein (#69) episode art

Telling the Stories of Custodians Saving Dying Traditions with Eliot Stein (#69)

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Eliot Stein on the individuals around the world who keep ancient cultural traditions from disappearing.

Why You Should Let People Yell At Your Kids with Marina Lopes (#68) episode art

Why You Should Let People Yell At Your Kids with Marina Lopes (#68)

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Marina Lopes on parenting practices from around the world, and why American families need more community support.

Surviving Bad Bosses Without Becoming One Yourself with Mita Mallick (#67) episode art

Surviving Bad Bosses Without Becoming One Yourself with Mita Mallick (#67)

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Mita Mallick on handling bad bosses, setting boundaries, and avoiding the behaviors that create them.

Talking Nice: How to Be More Trusted at Work with Minda Harts (#66) episode art

Talking Nice: How to Be More Trusted at Work with Minda Harts (#66)

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Minda Harts on building trust at work, being heard, and the role of vulnerability in communication.

Inside the Magical Subculture of Disney Adults with AJ Wolfe (#65) episode art

Inside the Magical Subculture of Disney Adults with AJ Wolfe (#65)

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AJ Wolfe on the subculture of Disney adults, what motivates them, and how the community works.

How To Think Like a Futurist with Henry Coutinho-Mason (#64) episode art

How To Think Like a Futurist with Henry Coutinho-Mason (#64)

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Henry Coutinho-Mason on how futurists think, the role of trends, and technology's effect on future thinking.

Sikh Wisdom and the Art of Understanding People with Simran Jeet Singh (#63) episode art

Sikh Wisdom and the Art of Understanding People with Simran Jeet Singh (#63)

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Simran Jeet Singh on diverse storytelling, navigating faith in public spaces, and building empathy across communities.

The Unlikely Rise of the Coach Brand and "Accessible Luxury" with Lew Frankfort (#62) episode art

The Unlikely Rise of the Coach Brand and "Accessible Luxury" with Lew Frankfort (#62)

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Lew Frankfort on turning Coach into a five billion dollar brand and the idea of accessible luxury.

Why The Secret To Success Is To Stop Competing: Featuring Ruchika T. Malhotra (#61) episode art

Why The Secret To Success Is To Stop Competing: Featuring Ruchika T. Malhotra (#61)

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Ruchika T. Malhotra on rejecting competition, and why collaboration and community produce more durable success.

Will Superhuman Intelligence Be Good or Bad for Humanity? with Nick Bostrom (#60) episode art

Will Superhuman Intelligence Be Good or Bad for Humanity? with Nick Bostrom (#60)

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Nick Bostrom on AI risk, existential threats, and why a balanced approach to technological progress matters.

How To Have More Courage and Be More Bold with Ranjay Gulati (#59) episode art

How To Have More Courage and Be More Bold with Ranjay Gulati (#59)

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Ranjay Gulati on courage as something shaped by context and support systems rather than personality alone.

The Future of Storytelling (For Creators) with Charlie Melcher - PART 1 OF 2 (#58) episode art

The Future of Storytelling (For Creators) with Charlie Melcher - PART 1 OF 2 (#58)

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Charlie Melcher on the shift from passive media consumption to immersive, interactive storytelling. Part one of two.

The Future of Exploration [LIVE] - What Will Human Discovery Look Like In the Next Decade? (#57) episode art

The Future of Exploration [LIVE] - What Will Human Discovery Look Like In the Next Decade? (#57)

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A live panel with surfer Layne Beachley and space systems engineer Dawn McIntosh on more responsible ocean and space exploration.

Why the World Still Needs Human Experts with Dorie Clark (#56) episode art

Why the World Still Needs Human Experts with Dorie Clark (#56)

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Dorie Clark on why human expertise still matters in an AI era, and the case for long-term thinking.

How Anyone Can Be Funnier with Anne Libera from Second City (#55) episode art

How Anyone Can Be Funnier with Anne Libera from Second City (#55)

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Anne Libera of The Second City on how humor works and why anyone can learn to be funnier.

Why Successful Entrepreneurs Need To Give First with Brad Feld (#54) episode art

Why Successful Entrepreneurs Need To Give First with Brad Feld (#54)

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Brad Feld on the give first philosophy, non-transactional relationships, and staying accessible and responsive.

Finding Your Calling In Work and Life with Christopher Wong Michealson and Jennifer Tosti-Kharas (#53) episode art

Finding Your Calling In Work and Life with Christopher Wong Michealson and Jennifer Tosti-Kharas (#53)

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Christopher Wong Michealson and Jennifer Tosti-Kharas on what makes work meaningful and how technology is changing it.

Where Humans Will Live In The Future with Parag Khanna (#52) episode art

Where Humans Will Live In The Future with Parag Khanna (#52)

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Parag Khanna on mobility as a skill, global talent migration, and where people will live as cities change.

Why Every Business Needs A Good Strategic Enemy with Laura Ries (#51) episode art

Why Every Business Needs A Good Strategic Enemy with Laura Ries (#51)

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Laura Ries on differentiation in marketing, picking a strategic enemy, and the dangers of line extensions.

Negotiating While Black (Or While Underestimated) with Damali Peterman (#50) episode art

Negotiating While Black (Or While Underestimated) with Damali Peterman (#50)

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Damali Peterman on negotiating while underestimated, and why authenticity beats cookie-cutter negotiation tactics.

How To Laugh at Tragedy Without Becoming A Victim with Tom Nash [LIVE] (#49) episode art

How To Laugh at Tragedy Without Becoming A Victim with Tom Nash [LIVE] (#49)

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Tom Nash on using humor to cope with trauma, the nocebo effect, and refusing the victim label. Recorded live in Sydney.

The Future of Boredom [LIVE] - What Happens When It Is Harder To Do Nothing? with Dr. Joanne Orlando and Dan Ilic (#48) episode art

The Future of Boredom [LIVE] - What Happens When It Is Harder To Do Nothing? with Dr. Joanne Orlando and Dan Ilic (#48)

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A live panel with Joanne Orlando and Dan Ilic on how boredom feeds creativity and why technology keeps eliminating it.

How Men Find Community and Build Empathy with Michael Tennant (#47) episode art

How Men Find Community and Build Empathy with Michael Tennant (#47)

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Michael Tennant on emotional awareness, vulnerability, and how men build community and deeper connections.

Insider Secrets On How We Shop and What We Eat with Paco Underhill (#46) episode art

Insider Secrets On How We Shop and What We Eat with Paco Underhill (#46)

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Paco Underhill on decades of research into how people shop, how retail spaces changed, and what drives buying decisions.

How To Be Defiant When It Matters Most with Dr. Sunita Sah (#45) episode art

How To Be Defiant When It Matters Most with Dr. Sunita Sah (#45)

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Sunita Sah on defiance as a positive act, and how knowing your own values makes it possible.

The Infuriating Upside of Trash Talk with Rafi Kohan (#44) episode art

The Infuriating Upside of Trash Talk with Rafi Kohan (#44)

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Rafi Kohan on trash talk in sports and beyond, its psychological effects, and why it is widely misunderstood.

Using Bizarre Lifestyle Experiments To Save Democracy with A.J. Jacobs (#43) episode art

Using Bizarre Lifestyle Experiments To Save Democracy with A.J. Jacobs (#43)

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A.J. Jacobs on spending a year living by the Constitution, and treating disagreements as puzzles to solve.

How To Be A Super Communicator with Charles Duhigg (#42) episode art

How To Be A Super Communicator with Charles Duhigg (#42)

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Charles Duhigg on the skills of supercommunicators, including matching conversation types and asking deeper questions.

How Work Works with Michelle P. King (#41) episode art

How Work Works with Michelle P. King (#41)

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Michelle P. King on making a job more fulfilling and the informal rules of organizational culture that hold people back.

How Status Really Works And How It Doesn't with Chuck Thompson (#40) episode art

How Status Really Works And How It Doesn't with Chuck Thompson (#40)

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Chuck Thompson on what status means today and how lowbrow tastes became markers of prestige.

What You Don't Know About Disability with Ashley Shew (#39) episode art

What You Don't Know About Disability with Ashley Shew (#39)

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Ashley Shew on technoableism, rethinking who needs improvement, and writing for people who will become disabled.

The Disturbing Truth About Fate Vs Flukes with Brian Klaas (#38) episode art

The Disturbing Truth About Fate Vs Flukes with Brian Klaas (#38)

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Brian Klaas on chance and chaos, and why small flukes shape history more than we like to admit.

How to Transform the Way You See Time with Richard Fisher (#37) episode art

How to Transform the Way You See Time with Richard Fisher (#37)

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Richard Fisher on long-term thinking and how to stretch our sense of time beyond the immediate present.

How To Spot A Fraud or Scam with Kelly Richmond Pope (#36) episode art

How To Spot A Fraud or Scam with Kelly Richmond Pope (#36)

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Kelly Richmond Pope on what she learned interviewing fraud perpetrators and victims, and how to recognize a scam.

How "Workarounds" Can Solve Big Problems with Paulo Savaget (#35) episode art

How "Workarounds" Can Solve Big Problems with Paulo Savaget (#35)

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Paulo Savaget on how scrappy organizations invent workarounds to tackle complex problems.

Why Social Media Makes Us Angry with Tobias Rose-Stockwell (#34) episode art

Why Social Media Makes Us Angry with Tobias Rose-Stockwell (#34)

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Tobias Rose-Stockwell on how social platforms amplify outrage, and the changes that reduce toxicity and polarization.

How To Work With (Almost) Anyone with Michael Bungay Stanier (#33) episode art

How To Work With (Almost) Anyone with Michael Bungay Stanier (#33)

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Michael Bungay Stanier on building the best possible working relationships with the people around you.

Why Most Projects Fail and How To Fix Them with Bent Flyvbjerg & Dan Gardner (#32) episode art

Why Most Projects Fail and How To Fix Them with Bent Flyvbjerg & Dan Gardner (#32)

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Bent Flyvbjerg and Dan Gardner on the pattern behind failed megaprojects and what determines whether big things get done.

Everything You Never Knew About Pockets with Hannah Carlson (#31) episode art

Everything You Never Knew About Pockets with Hannah Carlson (#31)

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Hannah Carlson on the history of pockets and what they reveal about how we keep things close.

How To Write Your Own Obituary with James R. Hagerty (#30) episode art

How To Write Your Own Obituary with James R. Hagerty (#30)

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James R. Hagerty, a longtime obituary writer, on how to tell your life story and write your own.

Why Afrofuturism Matters with Dr. Kevin Strait (#29) episode art

Why Afrofuturism Matters with Dr. Kevin Strait (#29)

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Kevin Strait of the National Museum of African American History and Culture on Afrofuturism and imagining the future.

How Culture Influences Our Behavior with Dr. Marcus Collins (#28) episode art

How Culture Influences Our Behavior with Dr. Marcus Collins (#28)

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Marcus Collins on culture as the most powerful influence on behavior, and how to bring it into your work.

Being More Coachable and Accepting Good Advice with Jacquelyn Lane and Scott Osman (#26) episode art

Being More Coachable and Accepting Good Advice with Jacquelyn Lane and Scott Osman (#26)

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Jacquelyn Lane and Scott Osman on becoming coachable and getting real value from executive coaching.

Dealing with Difficult People with Amy Gallo (#25) episode art

Dealing with Difficult People with Amy Gallo (#25)

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Amy Gallo on working with difficult colleagues, and handling conflict and feedback conversations better.

How To Be More Persuasive with Zoe Chance (#24) episode art

How To Be More Persuasive with Zoe Chance (#24)

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Zoe Chance, who teaches influence and persuasion at Yale, on how a shy person learns to be persuasive.

Why Employees Leave and Why They Stay with Joey Coleman (#23) episode art

Why Employees Leave and Why They Stay with Joey Coleman (#23)

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Joey Coleman on employee and customer experience, and how companies keep the people they hire.

How To Be A "Good-ish" Person with Dolly Chugh (#22) episode art

How To Be A "Good-ish" Person with Dolly Chugh (#22)

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Dolly Chugh on bounded ethicality, the psychology of good people, and unlearning history to build a fairer future.

Understanding Data Even If You Hate Numbers with Neil Hoyne (#21) episode art

Understanding Data Even If You Hate Numbers with Neil Hoyne (#21)

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Neil Hoyne, Google's chief measurement strategist, on making data and measurement useful for people who dislike numbers.

How To Create a More Inclusive Workplace with "The Band of Sisters" (#20) episode art

How To Create a More Inclusive Workplace with "The Band of Sisters" (#20)

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The Band of Sisters, a group of former senior executives, on countering gender bias in the boardroom.

Why An Analog World Is More Human with David Sax (#19) episode art

Why An Analog World Is More Human with David Sax (#19)

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David Sax on why an analog future is a more human one, and the limits of digital life.

Getting Unstuck and Embracing Change with Barry J. Moltz (#18) episode art

Getting Unstuck and Embracing Change with Barry J. Moltz (#18)

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Barry J. Moltz on getting a stuck small business moving again through marketing, sales, cash flow, and productivity.

Everything Professional Designers Should Know with Ellen Lupton, Kaleena Sales, & Valentine Vergara (#17) episode art

Everything Professional Designers Should Know with Ellen Lupton, Kaleena Sales, & Valentine Vergara (#17)

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Ellen Lupton, Kaleena Sales, and Valentine Vergara on inclusive, anti-racist design and rethinking assumptions in graphic design.

How To Think Like a Cartoonist with Tom Fishburne (#16) episode art

How To Think Like a Cartoonist with Tom Fishburne (#16)

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Tom Fishburne, the Marketoonist, on using cartoons and humor to find better marketing ideas.

How Women's Fitness Shaped the World with Danielle Friedman (#15) episode art

How Women's Fitness Shaped the World with Danielle Friedman (#15)

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Danielle Friedman on the untold history of women's exercise culture and how physical strength became other forms of power.

Getting People Talking About Race with Priya Vulchi & Winona Guo (#14) episode art

Getting People Talking About Race with Priya Vulchi & Winona Guo (#14)

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Priya Vulchi and Winona Guo on traveling to every state to get strangers talking honestly about race.

How To Talk To A Racist with Dr. David W. Campt (#13) episode art

How To Talk To A Racist with Dr. David W. Campt (#13)

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David W. Campt on how anti-racism allies can hold transformative conversations with people who hold racist views.

The Truth About College Admissions with Jeff Selingo (#12) episode art

The Truth About College Admissions with Jeff Selingo (#12)

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Jeff Selingo on what really happens inside college admissions offices.

How To Transform Your Brand with Emmanuel Probst (#11) episode art

How To Transform Your Brand with Emmanuel Probst (#11)

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Emmanuel Probst on building an enduring brand and the mistakes marketers make along the way.

What Female Leaders Really Need with Deepa Purushothaman (#10) episode art

What Female Leaders Really Need with Deepa Purushothaman (#10)

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Deepa Purushothaman on supporting women in leadership and challenging the status quo of ambition, success, and power.

The Secrets of Digital Body Language with Erica Dhawan (#9) episode art

The Secrets of Digital Body Language with Erica Dhawan (#9)

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Erica Dhawan on digital body language and communicating clearly when most work happens on screens.

How To Get People To Support You with Suneel Gupta (#8) episode art

How To Get People To Support You with Suneel Gupta (#8)

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Suneel Gupta on how to get other people to back you and your ideas.

How To Be An Epic Gift Giver with John Ruhlin (#7) episode art

How To Be An Epic Gift Giver with John Ruhlin (#7)

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John Ruhlin on giftology, and how thoughtful gifts build lasting business relationships.

How Ownership Really Works with Michael Heller & Jim Salzman (#6) episode art

How Ownership Really Works with Michael Heller & Jim Salzman (#6)

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Michael Heller and James Salzman on the six simple rules people use to claim ownership of almost everything.

The Death of Common Sense with Martin Lindstrom (#5) episode art

The Death of Common Sense with Martin Lindstrom (#5)

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Martin Lindstrom on what has caused the death of common sense in business.

Why Collaboration Is Overrated with Safi Bahcall (#4) episode art

Why Collaboration Is Overrated with Safi Bahcall (#4)

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Safi Bahcall, author of Loonshots, on why collaboration is overrated. Originally aired December 2021.

The Power of Outsider Thinking with Beth Comstock (#3) episode art

The Power of Outsider Thinking with Beth Comstock (#3)

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Beth Comstock on the power of outsider thinking and driving change inside big organizations. Originally aired November 2021.

How To Develop Your Big Ideas with Daniel H. Pink (#2) episode art

How To Develop Your Big Ideas with Daniel H. Pink (#2)

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Daniel H. Pink on where big ideas come from and how to develop them. Originally aired September 2021.

What Makes Someone Remarkable? with Guy Kawasaki (#1) episode art

What Makes Someone Remarkable? with Guy Kawasaki (#1)

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Guy Kawasaki, chief evangelist at Canva, on what makes someone remarkable. Originally aired October 2021.

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